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I'm looking for suggestions to meet my Vortexbox requirements

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3:04 am
July 14, 2010


hifihere

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My situation requires a Vortexbox that can output digital audio on SPDIF, preferably at rates up to 24/192.  An internal PCI device is preferred to a USB converter.

Does the pre-built Vortexbox appliance allow installation of a PCI card?  If not, then I will build a system. What is a recommended PCI card that supports Linux with SPDIF @ 24/192?

The Vortexbox will be located at the DAC location and only play files that are present on the local drive.  It will not be possible to connect via Ethernet so a wireless option is necessary.  I have seen a bridged router recommended by Andy in another thread.  Is that the best wireless solution for simply connecting to the internet for metadata?

I will use an Apple iPad for a controller.  Will this be able to directly control a player app on the Vortexbox?  What is the difference in the new Vortexbox player and the Squeezeslave player?

This is my first post here.  I look forward to having a good time with Vortexbox!!

Thanks!

11:29 am
July 14, 2010


Andrew

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You can not install a PCI card in the standard VortexBox appliance. Sounds like you need a highend audiophile VortexBox. The people at Sonore specelize in this type of system.

http://www.sonore.us/

4:53 pm
July 14, 2010


yeswork

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Post edited 4:55 pm – July 14, 2010 by yeswork


Hi,

I have a turtle beach USB toslink/optical device attached to my Vortexbox.  It works great, but is not wireless.

FYI -  from  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spdif

"A common use for the S/PDIF interface is to carry compressed digital audio as defined by the standard IEC 61937. This mode is used to connect the output of a DVD player to a home theater receiver that supports Dolby Digital or DTS surround sound. Another common use is to carry uncompressed digital audio from a CD player to a receiver. This specification also allows for the coupling of personal computer digital sound (if equipped) via optical or coax to Dolby or DTS capable receivers. This only supports stereo sound, unless the personal computer supports Dolby Digital Live or DTS Connect

S/PDIF is used to transmit digital signals of a number of formats, the most common being the 48 kHz sample rate format (used in DAT) and the 44.1 kHz format, used in CD audio. In order to support both systems, as well as others that might be needed, the format has no defined data rate. Instead, the data is sent using biphase mark code, which has either one or two transitions for every bit, allowing the original word clock to be extracted from the signal itself.

S/PDIF is meant to be used for transmitting 20-bit audio data streams plus other related information. To transmit sources with less than 20 bits of sample accuracy, the superfluous bits will be set to zero. S/PDIF can also transport 24-bit samples by way of four extra bits; however, not all equipment supports this, and these extra bits might be ignored, since electronics are practically limited to 120 dB (20-bit) of dynamic range anyway."

If you are really set on wireless, there are wireless USB toslink – s/pdif devices, that claim to be 24/96 KHx.  the POPPULSE Wireless USB to SPDIF PC Link For example http://cgi.ebay.com/POPPULSE-W…..ltDomain_0

Have not tried the POPPULSE but have seen claims it works with Linux.

Good Luck!

5:33 pm
July 14, 2010


Andrew

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To answer a few more of your questions.

1. The best wireless solution is a gateway such as http://astore.amazon.com/vort-…..B001KUV49U

2. The iPad makes a great controller

3. We don't support squeezslave. It's buggy and only supports 44.1k music.

8:39 pm
July 14, 2010


Dennis A

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Andrew said:

3. We don't support squeezslave. It's buggy and only supports 44.1k music.


Our VortexBox has SqueezeSlave:

[vortexbox.localdomain ~]# service squeezeslave status
Squeezeslave (pid 1860) is running
[vortexbox.localdomain ~]#

SqueezeSlave works perfectly with all 50,000 or so of the FLAC and MP3 tracks on our VortexBox.  We can play the same music from SqueezeSlave and other players.  The other player (VB-Player?) does not work with other players playing the same tracks.

Why do you not support SqueezeSlave and what are the specific bugs in the current version that make you to not support SqueezeSlave?

2:13 am
July 15, 2010


hifihere

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Andrew said:

You can not install a PCI card in the standard VortexBox appliance. Sounds like you need a highend audiophile VortexBox. The people at Sonore specelize in this type of system.

http://www.sonore.us/


Andrew,

Thanks for the reply, you are correct in pointing me towards a fine high-end product like Sonore is building.  I may wind up there but for me half the fun is building my own box.

The Lynx card they are using is limited to 24/96 on coax although it can achieve 24/192 via AES/EBU.  I have DAC's that have coax SPDiF that support 24/192 so I am hoping to find a card that will supply the same on a Vortexbox.

2:17 am
July 15, 2010


hifihere

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Andrew said:

To answer a few more of your questions.

1. The best wireless solution is a gateway such as http://astore.amazon.com/vort-…..B001KUV49U

2. The iPad makes a great controller

3. We don't support squeezslave. It's buggy and only supports 44.1k music.


This is exactly what I had in mind.  It looks like a better solution for adding a wireless access point than bridging another router.  Thank you!Laugh

2:29 am
July 15, 2010


hifihere

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This is where I am getting confused…Vortexbox is capable of storing 24/192 files but how do I play them?

If I stream to my Transporter I am capped at 24/96.  If I connect a Vortexbox directly to a 24/192 DAC what player will handle my 24/192 files?

I apologize for asking so many questions in a single post.  I am pleased to see the responses here!!!Laugh

2:48 am
July 15, 2010


vdeknock

Australia

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I have a USB DAC that supports 24/192 files, plugged into the vortexbox. This goes to my headphones.

I think you have to get a Touch if you want to play 24/192 files to your stereo.  But if you look on the slimserver forums you will find it needs some tweaking to work.

You can get a USB DAC which would then output a signal into your amp.

3:03 am
July 15, 2010


hifihere

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vdeknock said:

I have a USB DAC that supports 24/192 files, plugged into the vortexbox. This goes to my headphones.

I think you have to get a Touch if you want to play 24/192 files to your stereo.  But if you look on the slimserver forums you will find it needs some tweaking to work.

You can get a USB DAC which would then output a signal into your amp.


According to Gordon at Wavelength, "USB is limited to 16 bit data and 32K, 44.1K and 48K data rates. Higher data and sample rates would require Firewire or USB 2.0, which there is no specification for either at this time."

What DAC are you using for USB?  My guess is that your 24/192 files are being downsampled.

None of the Squeeze products can play above 24/96 without down conversion.

9:31 am
July 15, 2010


steveh

UK

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I'm not sure about your USB spec comment but that's due to my own ignorance. You may find this interesting

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/m…..ce_usb.htm

10:11 am
July 15, 2010


Andrew

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The only player that works with SqueezeBox Server and supports 24/192 is the VortexBox Player that is built into VortexBox. I agree that a USB DAC can only do 24/96 and will down sample higher rates.

Any card that works with Linux will work with VortexBox player in theory. The only people that have done extensive testing with 24/192 music is Sonore. They spent quite a while tweaking their VortexBox to make sure it was getting bit perfect 24/192. They even used a Weiss DAC to make sure the music was unaltered. Weiss has some special 24/192 FLAC files that you can play and a light will light up on the DAC if the output is bit perfect.

10:13 am
July 15, 2010


Andrew

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steveh said:

I'm not sure about your USB spec comment but that's due to my own ignorance. You may find this interesting

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/m…..ce_usb.htm


The hiFace requires a very special driver to work and is not compatible with Linux yet. I send them an email once a moth or so to as if the Linux drier is ready. I suggest that anybody who is interested in using this do the same.

12:34 am
July 16, 2010


vdeknock

Australia

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Sorry you are right both my DACMagic and DACPort only accept inputs of 24/96.  The DACMagic upsamples to 24/192 using its internal circuits.  Not sure how it adds back the missing bits but compared to my SB3 Classic it makes a difference to the sound I hear.

12:38 am
July 16, 2010


vdeknock

Australia

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Doing a quick look on the website I used to buy both DAC's they now sell the M2Tech Young USB DAC which states

Input sampling frequencies (kHz): 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4, 192, 352.8*, 384* (* USB only)

1:26 am
July 16, 2010


hifihere

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Andrew said:

steveh said:

I'm not sure about your USB spec comment but that's due to my own ignorance. You may find this interesting

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/m…..ce_usb.htm


The hiFace requires a very special driver to work and is not compatible with Linux yet. I send them an email once a moth or so to as if the Linux drier is ready. I suggest that anybody who is interested in using this do the same.


I will add my support in trying to encourage HiFace to write Linux drivers. 

USB is still in it's infancy as a high resolution audio conduit.  SPDIF and AES/EBU were developed for audio to begin with and are very capable.

I propose a survey to the users here.  Who has been successful with Vortexbox running on non USB outputs at native resolutions above 24/96?  What hardware did you use?  What hardware has been successful and what hardware has failed?

It would be helpful to create a compatibility list of motherboards and PCI cards that have worked at high resolution with Vortexbox and Linux.


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